All of Jesus' apostles knew he had lived in heaven with all the other spirit sons of God. (Psalm 89:6) For who in the skies can compare to Jehovah? Who among the sons of God is like Jehovah
Now you can only say that or use that, on the "assumption" that Jesus is Micheal and I don't believe you have enough to even imply it.
Luke 2:40 - And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
Luke 2:52 - And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
Was he not in favor with God before he come?
Did he not need a spirit as man and be like man set the way, example and for the purpose of dying?
Does man have a spirit like angels?
Can Spirits change?
You say some angels will perish, why can't they change then?
When David was told of a future seed after he died, I will be a Father to him and he will be a Son to me - Did David think that this future seed already existed in any way shape or form other than in the mind and plan of God?
Did David think or are there any verses even hinting at, that this future seed already existed in any shape or form other than in the mind and plan of God?
Likewise, what does the Bible show us, as to what all the prophets and forefathers knew, thought?
Was not this referred to as the Mystery Hidden IN God?
When the angel Spoke to Mary, would not this be considered the Hidden mystery coming out from, coming forth from, down from God?
Does not the Bible say that this Hidden mystery would/was ONLY to be manifested, literal when the times were fulfilled?
---------------------- Thomas and the other apostles had heard Jesus prayer given about 2 weeks earlier:
" So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." _ John 17:5
I would like your thoughts or understanding - Abraham rejoiced to see his day and saw it.............
What do you understand this verse to be saying?
He literally saw it?
Vision/dream?
Or just in the mind context as God does at times?
