We can talked about 'apples' for fun: royal gala, pink lady, fuji, smitten etc. No big deal
Similarly we can talked about 'our German car' with enthusiasm and fun in this forum. But we are not talking about the 'same car'.
We are actually referring to very different German-made mfg & models - Mercedes, BMW, VW, Audi etc.
Again, so big deal.
But with the Triune-God (Father, Son, Holy Spiri), its serious stuff.
Any erroneous belief no mater how subtle the difference (s), will carry with it eternal consequences ; what is at stake is our eternity in heaven (Presence of God) or hell ( absence of God).
Hi Guys and Gals here:
I care for all of you.
I like to see you all in heaven, spending eternity with our Creator God!
John 3:14-17 , (AMP)
14 Just as Moses lifted up the [bronze] serpent in the desert [on a pole], so must the Son of Man be lifted up [on the cross],
15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life [after physical death, and will actually live forever].
16 “For God so [greatly] loved
and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and]
[a]only begotten Son, so that whoever believes
and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge
and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but that the world might be saved through Him.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 3:14-17&version=AMP
John 14:5-7 (AMP)
5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going; so how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus said to him, “[a]I am the [only] Way [to God] and the [real] Truth and the [real] Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Jesus’ Oneness with the Father
7 If you had [really] known Me, you would also have known My Father. From now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 14:5-7&version=AMP
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Let Truth be said for now, though it may hurt or upset you:
*( I have no association with any organisation mentioned here).
FICM
Statement of Faith here sums up what i believe (and agree) are key doctrines of Biblical Christianity, my identity in Christ, and how i received Christ Jesus as my Lord and Saviour, and deposited with God the Holy Spirit , now dwelling in all true believers (1 John 4;4)
All by the grace of God, not by works or self-righteousness ( so nothing to self-boast about) i believe i follow the Biblical Christianity
Statement of Faith
Who I Am in Christ
How To Receive Christ
http://www.ficm.org.uk/statement-of-faith
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We are not comparing 'apple with apple' here when we discuss the 'Jesus Christ & Holy Spirit' because of bias of 'believers' bias ( followers) bias with with different backgrounds & flavors:
So how can we come to agreement when discusisng Christ Jesus and Holy Spirit?
Atheists
( no God, no Creator:
things happen by chance, accidental,
i come from nothing, i am nothing accountable to no God, becomes nothing when dead.
' i am god'),
JW (Holy Spirit is not God, but a force; 'it', not He.)
Catholics
( Mary? Dead Saints? Images? Ten commandments changed?)
Mormons (????)
Gnosticist
(Denies deity of Christ, gospel of St Thomas , Hammadi. Heresy?)
Hi wotsup, are you one?
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All of us are sincere here, i am sure of that.
The key question is:
Are you sincerely right or sincerely wrong?
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Sources:
Comparison Grid of Roman Catholicism, Mormonism ... - CARM.org
Comparison grid of Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christianity
https://carm.org/comparison-grid
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Gnosticism | CARM.org
https://carm.org/gnosticism
by Matt Slick.
Gnosticism traces its roots back just after the beginning of the
Christian Church. Some researchers state that evidence of its existence even predates
Christianity. Whichever the case, the error of
Gnosticism had affected the culture and church of the time and possibly even a earned a mention in 1 John 4.
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Discussion with a Gnostic on Jesus' Resurrection | CARM.org
https://carm.org/discussion-gnostic-jesus-resurrection
This is a short but interesting dialogue with a
Gnostic focusing on the resurrection of Christ. ... Matt: I'm a
Christian. What do you mean by
gnostic?
Gnostic: As in the "heretical movement" of the first two centuries. Matt: So, you deny Jesus is God in flesh?
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A Comparison Between Christian Doctrine and Mormon ... - CARM.org
https://carm.org/comparison-between-christian-doctrine-and-mormon-doctrine
Dec 16, 2008 -
Mormon Doctrine
compared to
Christianity.
https://carm.org/comparison-between-christian-doctrine-and-mormon-doctrine
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Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing? | CARM.org
https://carm.org/is-catholicism-christian
by Matt Slick. No, Roman
Catholicism and
Christianity are not the same thing.
Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the
Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a
Christian.
Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil
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Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian? | CARM.org
https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian
Dec 5, 2008 - The Jehovah's Witness organization denies essential
Christian teachings on the nature of God, Jesus, the gospel, and host of other issues.
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Roman Catholicism, comparing Mary to God | CARM.org
https://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-compare-god
(
www.vatian.va, Pontifical Council for Promoting
Christian unity. Anglican--Roman
Catholic International Commission (ARCIC), #59). Intercessor, Hebrews 7:25, "Hence, also, He [Jesus] is able to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them."
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Trinity Chart | CARM.org
https://carm.org/trinity
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What is the Trinity? | CARM.org
https://carm.org/what-is-the-trinity
Nov 24, 2008 -
Trinity graphic, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit The word "
trinity" is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other yet identical in essence.
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Faith Groups That Reject the Trinity
https://www.thoughtco.com/faith-groups-that-reject-trinity-doctrine-700367
by
Mary Fairchild
Updated March 17, 2017
The
doctrine of the Trinity is central to most
Christian denominations and faith groups, although not all. The term "Trinity" is not found in the Bible and is a concept of Christianity that is not easy to grasp or explain. Yet most conservative, evangelical Bible scholars agree that the Trinity doctrine is clearly expressed within Scripture.
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More about the Trinity.
Faith Groups That Reject the Trinity
The following faith groups and religions are among those that reject the doctrine of the Trinity. The list is not exhaustive but encompasses several of the major groups and religious movements. Included is a brief explanation of each group's beliefs about the nature of God, revealing a deviation from the doctrine of the Trinity.
For comparison purposes, the
biblical Trinity doctrine is defined as follows: "There is only one God, made up of three distinct Persons who exist in co-equal, co-eternal communion as the
Father, , Son, and
Holy Spirit."
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Mormonism - Latter-day Saints
Founded By:
Joseph Smith, Jr., 1830.
Mormons believe that God has a physical, flesh and bones, eternal, perfect body. Men have the potential to become gods as well. Jesus is God's literal son, a separate being from
God the Father and the "elder brother" of men. The Holy Spirit is also a separate being from God the Father and God the Son. The Holy Spirit is regarded as an impersonal power or spirit being. These three separate beings are "one" only in their purpose, and they make up the Godhead.
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Jehovah's Witnesses
Founded By: Charles Taze Russell, 1879. Succeeded by Joseph F. Rutherford, 1917.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God is one person, Jehovah. Jesus was Jehovah's first creation. Jesus is not God, nor part of the Godhead. He is higher than the angels but inferior to God. Jehovah used Jesus to create the rest of the universe. Before Jesus came to earth he was known as
the archangel Michael. The Holy Spirit is an impersonal force from Jehovah, but not God.
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Christian Science
Founded By:
Mary Baker Eddy, 1879.
Christian Scientists believe the trinity is life, truth, and love. As an impersonal principle, God is the only thing that truly exists. Everything else (matter) is an illusion. Jesus, though not God, is the
Son of God. He was the promised Messiah but was not a deity. The Holy Spirit is divine science in the teachings of
Christian Science.
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Armstrongism
(Philadelphia Church of God, Global Church of God, United Church of God)
Founded By: Herbert W. Armstrong, 1934.
Traditional Armstrongism denies a Trinity, defining God as "a family of individuals." Original teachings say Jesus did not have a physical resurrection and the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force.
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Christadelphians
Founded By:
Dr. John Thomas, 1864.
Christadelphians believe God is one indivisible unity, not three distinct persons existing in one God. They deny the divinity of Jesus, believing he is fully human and separate from God. They do not believe the Holy Spirit is the third person of the trinity, but simply a force—the "unseen power" from God.
Oneness Pentecostals
Founded By: Frank Ewart, 1913.
Oneness Pentecostals believe that there is one God and God is one. Throughout time God manifested himself in three ways or "forms" (not persons), as Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit. Oneness
Pentecostals take issue with the Trinity doctrine chiefly for its use of the term "person." They believe God cannot be three distinct persons, but only one being who has revealed himself in three different modes. It is important to note that Oneness Pentecostals do affirm the deity of
Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
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Unification Church
Founded By: Sun Myung Moon, 1954.
Unification adherents believe that God is positive and negative, male and female. The universe is God's body, made by him. Jesus was not God, but a man. He did not experience a physical resurrection. In fact, his mission on earth failed and will be fulfilled through Sun Myung Moon, who is greater than Jesus. The Holy Spirit is feminine in nature. She collaborates with Jesus in the spirit realm to draw people to Sun Myung Moon.
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Unity School of Christianity
Founded By: Charles and Myrtle Fillmore, 1889.
Similar to Christian Science, Unity adherents believe God is an unseen, impersonal principle, not a person. God is a force within everyone and everything. Jesus was only a man, not the Christ. He simply realized his spiritual identity as the Christ by practicing his potential for perfection. This is something all men can achieve. Jesus did not
resurrect from the dead, but rather, he reincarnated. The Holy Spirit is the active expression of God's law. Only the spirit part of us is real, matter is not real.
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Scientology - Dianetics
Founded By: L. Ron Hubbard, 1954.
Scientology defines God as Dynamic Infinity. Jesus is not God, Savior, or Creator, nor does he have control of supernatural powers. He is usually overlooked in Dianetics. The Holy Spirit is absent from this belief system as well. Men are "thetan" - immortal, spiritual beings with limitless capabilities and powers, though often they are unaware of this potential. Scientology teaches men how to achieve "higher states of awareness and ability" through practicing Dianetics.
Sources:
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Take care.
God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) loves you!
Cheers
G
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