cerhob, please don't include me in any ramping allegations - i'm just calling it how i see it - as per my limited posts on other stocks. as i said the other day - from the figures this company looks good. i've never tried to guestimate a value on it - just that i feel it is fundamently worth more. whether the figures are true or what the market thinks is out of my hands & yours, as you well know. regards, mark.