What part of my post are you not reading, it would appear most.
You told me to limit a statement of faith and Pasted/linked yours, pages and pages.
I told you from all that I had written to you (or words to the effect), my statement of faith was pretty much wrapped up in those words, easy to see I would say.
Anyway, The Almighty God and Father of Jesus is One as IN Singular.
God is a Spirit and THAT Spirit as THE BIBLE SHOWS is The Holy Spirit and there is ONLY ONE of these.
God's word is ALSO Spirit = Spirit, Word are one in the same and belong to ONE ID, referred to in John 1:1 as The Word.
Which The words of eternal life come from.
The Spirit/Word of Almighty God move over the depths and He said, let there be light.
No one knows the thoughts of mans spirit accept the mans own spirit, LIKEWISE no one know God = The Spirit/Word starts out IN God as in his thoughts - Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world Acts.
In his mind/thoughts as in the meanings of Logos, Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world.
In his mind/Thoughts - Spirit/Word, Jesus was the beginning of the Creation of God, the future Son, center stage of this plan, hence in these thoughts, Jesus was the firstborn of creation.
Jesus in the OT was the hidden mystery within God.
Spirit Word one in the same - OT - The word of the LORD (Almighty God and Father) said unto me.
The Spirit of the LORD said unto me. NOTE: One in the same here speaking, no, no,,,,,,,listen, there is BUT ONE SPIRIT = ONE WORD.
Guess what - Jesus ONLY received this Spirit/Word at his Baptism and he received it without measure SO, he could finish the Almighty God & Fathers Work = Get it through peoples head like never before and in Spirit until Jesus returns = The Word of Life Eternal = You are born again by them.
Hence because of this and only this and at His baptism timing - Jesus received life in himself as the Father has in John 1:4.
God is The Holy Spirit, which is Word which = Light, the True Light as He IS Light, Jesus as He said, became "a" Light simply because he received the Spirit/Word of the Almighty God and Father which is now BACK in the world as The Comforter due to Jesus's request to The Father, the promise being granted.
The Door which is now Jesus is now Open for us to come to Almighty God and Father OF lights, Jesus being the Firstborn of these as Col 1:15 tells us.
Anyway, ALL the Prophets and Forefathers were told of this Future one - which was STILL his IN God.
God said, I WILL BE a Father to Him and He WILL BE a Son to me.
There is no HINT in any verse that the future one already existed in anyway shape or form other then being still IN God, Plan,
Anyway, The Spirit/Word this time came via an angel, no the Spirit/Word directly, to Mary.
You know the following, Mary conception was due to the Holy Spirit of the MOST HIGH = Almighty God and Father and confirmed via Jesus when he says in John - My Father and your Father and My God and your God.
The Holy Spirit was how Mary conceived and the Holy Spirit IS Jesus's Father simply BECAUSE the Father, The Most High is the Holy Spirit.
True to God's word in the Prophesy, This day I have begotten you =He once didn't have.
Jesus was born OF God, came forth, out from, came down as God says in Isa 55:11-12, through the Spirit/Word of the Father.
He was born a man but from above and not of the Dust - Divine, but still made as man (so to speak) to suffer death and to be temped etc, spirit of his own as man.
No he did NOT empty himself in this regard, to come down.
And when the times were fulfilled God sent forth the hidden mystery within, his Son = Baptism timing here.
God put all things in Jesus's hands and no one can come to God accept through Jesus and no one can come to Jesus unless God draws them and that he does via His Word which is Spirit.
The Son, the Divine man Jesus died on the cross for us all, couldn't do it on his own as he says many times it was his anointing with the Spirit/Word that enable him to do it, all miracles Jesus did was God within doing them through Jesus.
Because Jesus had the Spirit/Word without measure he could have ignored the Fathers will and done all sorts for himself so he and ONLY then, or for that reason emptied himself, humbled himself and stuck to the will of his Almighty God and Father.
If as You say, God effectively went to the cross, it would have been easier for him than Jesus.
Ask yourself this question, would it be easier to put yourself on the cross or your Son?
Obvious answer = Therefore WHO is in fact belittling the grandness, the greatness of this sacrifice?
If you suggest I'm denying the deity, you better go back and read how I said Jesus came to be and that aside, if God thinks so highly of the Man, His Son that will be coming to Judge (yes that Man Jesus is judging, DYOR, then likewise I will do the same.
When there is death no more, Jesus who had ALL things put under his feet, will deliver the Kingdom back to God and we including Jesus will be subject to our Almighty God and Father.
--------------- Q2
"Is the Father God? Is the Son God? Is Holy Spirit God?"
A simple & direct question.
This is trying to understand your position here; will/can you answer?
Now if your serious in asking these questions you have proven one of two things;
1. Your not reading what I have given you.
2. The nasty one or your mind set is not allowing you to see it all.
We have - A ONE as in singular Almighty God and Father who is the Holy Spirit as he is a Spirit, His Spirit IS also Word which makes him The Word in John 1:1 and this Spirit/Word is Light the True light in John 1:9
This God IS Light 1 John 1:5.
No the Son is NOT this Almighty God & Father mentioned above but is His Only Begotten Son who is in the Bosom of His God as in John 1:18 now exalted and titled the only begotten God. (According to the Greek).
Gone from a son to be, to only begotten Son to begotten God. AND,,,, take note - Rev 19:12-13 had a name written that no man knew and his name is called The Word OF God.
In no way as most claim is this saying, HE is The Word of God OR The Word, as it only says - His name is!
Do yourself a favor and research - God generally gives a name to someone and THAT name generally represents the role that God has planed for them = Jesus's was to bring us, the Words of eternal live which was and within, with God in the beginning, expressed out = The Word OF God.
Ex - Abraham's name was changed after the promise and it means - Father of many, check out for more of them and what the name Jesus represents as well.
------------------ Interestng, you checked out yourvBibke - there is no specific verse
re Holy Spirit talking to the Father,
then you asked me a trick question? Crafty ? =)
However,
Genesis 1, Amplified Bible,
"Let US ( Father, Son, Holy Spirit) make man in OUR image ......" ,
Tricks - no trick my friend and no laughing matter either.
Seriously, that's a rather sad answer, not to mention I'm pretty sure I addressed that one, so that's a serious concern.
You ours and us hangs it neck on a VERY serious flaw, deception right where it all began.
Elohim = Plural and Moses is referred to exactly the SAME way = Elohim = how many persons make up Moses.
The Plural is referring to their attributes/aspects of them and there are many to God.
Not to mention, to say the Holy Spirit is talking to the Father here or visa versa is pure speculation as no one really knows and there is nothing to even hint at to apply the implied term, God was speaking to Jesus.
And God said = Hang on there chappy, isn't Jesus supposedly part of the God that spoke here, One God?
Has you thought about how this nonsense could possibly work?
Jesus him himself says, do you not know He made them male and female?
He would have said, "we" would have made them.......
So you have very weak support for your claim, so lets give it shall we say, the Jesus test;
John 8:16-17 - And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
So there you go, go and find at least two clear and precise verses, different writers (two) that support your claim, the Holy Spirit speaks to the Father.
Sorry but the only tri-une I'm seeing ATM is three sun gods?
